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Sunday, January 11, 2004

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Aleksandar Vacić

Am I the only to notice that people stopped talking about the iPod mini disappointments and talks about this?

Looks like a good Apple timing.

Peter

Carly Fiorina showed the HP Digital Music Player in all its' blue-grey ugliness on Thursday. Obviously HP and Apple had been in discussions for a while. How else would she have had a mock-up so quickly? As for the "disappointment" with the iPod mini. Let's go back 2 years. Apple introduces a 5 GB music player at the ridiculously high price of $399. "Won't sell" were most analyst comments. Even Apple devotees were disappointed. 2 years later with prices down to $299 for a 15 GB model the iPod passes the 2 million mark in sales. Huh? Now we have an "overpriced" iPod mini with 4 GB and a price of $249. Look into your crystal ball. It's 2 years since the intro. The new iPod is now available with 15 GB for $99. 4 million have been sold. Huh?

Mike

Aleck: I think this was perfect timing. I'm sure that Steve Jobs saw that some people wouldn't appreciate the new Mini's price, therefore he exacted this company agreement in anticipation.

Peter: Well put. I'm still disappointed about the iPod Mini's price, but I believe it will sell just as the original iPod did a few years back. As long as Apple innovates, consumers will flock to them for design and UI perfection — no matter what the price.

Also, there's no doubt in my mind the iPod Mini's $249 price tag will drop to $199 within 8-12 months; maybe even lower. But who knows. When the 100 Million Song Pepsi/iTunes promotion hits full swing, maybe iPod sales will be at a point where Apple will no longer feel as though they have to drop the price.

SmurfTower

Any color you like and sand off the HP logo on the back you're chillen :D. These people are going to make a fortune on coloring iPods.
http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/accessories.aspx

Nicole

Mike, why do you do this to me? I am highly tempted to join the redesign mayhem. I may need to recruit a graphic designer friend to my team, however, as I can never make graphics look like I want them to... I think we've discussed our mutual tendency toward perfectionism. :)

Mike

Hehe ;)

Yeah, throwing a redesign together is going to be abnormally-tough for me — I've got midterms this week, a job interview, other sites to work on, blah blah blah... so I'm going to be under some pressure lol. Hopefully I'll still be able to throw something together!

Nicole

Somehow I really doubt that your entry will be "thrown together."

And on another note, does your school have trimesters? Because it seems pretty early for midterms otherwise.

Mike

We sure do. Right now I'm in the middle of my winter quarter, very much envying all my friends who are still on their Christmas vacation ;)

KenC

I believe Apple had a mockup done well before CES, as I'm sure when they approached HP, they brought a mockup along. Standard practice, if you ask me. The only thing, is HP's colors are fugly! Probably what held up the talks so long was Steve wanting to change HP's corporate colors to something more appealing than dull gray and dull blue.

As for the timing, I doubt Steve planned it that way, it just worked out that way. I'm sure he would have announced it, if the deal had been done in time for the MWSFshow.

As for the mini pricing, I think Steve could have easily hit the $200 price point if he had gone with 2Gig of microdrive storage, but that's not Steve. His whole schtick has been to have your WHOLE music library on your iPod, and that means, in Steve's mind, somewhere near 5Gig minimum as that was what the original iPod had. So, 4Gig was close enough, but 2Gig not. Right now, Microdrives are expensive, and flash memory even more expensive. I looked at 1Gig flash memory the other day and it was over $300! So, if people had only done their homework, they would have realized that a mini iPod would be small in size but not in price, because miniaturization in electronics is not cheaper.

Mike

I just can't believe that anyone thought that Apple would come out with a Flash-based iPod. Flash storage prices are incredibly high, and there would be absolutely no benefit to sticking Flash media into an iPod music device — the cost of production would be way too high.

Zack

5 gig for 1000 mp3s and 4 gig for 1000 AACs :)

Derek

I think what Apple is doing in terms of the iPod is great. And in terms of the iPod Mini, it has been said that there is a 6 GB drive available (not sure of the manufacturer) that would fit the iPod Mini which could become the standard, rather than the 4 GB. Also it would likely be difficult and not worth the cost to produce two versions of each color. I love the more streamlined design of the 4G iPod, but must agree, when it comes to the HP mock-up, that the color is disgusting. I believe (in an attempt to appeal more to consumers)... that Apple and HP will likely use a darker shade of blue (a lightning or midnight blue like color). If you visit the hp.com site... the color associated with their icon doesn't really resemble the above mock-up. But we will all know tomorrow when it is unveiled. Also, I was very interested in the website posted above for colored iPods... I would be interested to know if they have a professional appearance or a more homemade look to them... and since they don't ship directly from Apple if they would arrive in good condition, etc. But very interesting... great idea to offer that sort of options for the 4G iPod. Well that's my 2 cents... so i'm out!

Derek

I think what Apple is doing in terms of the iPod is great. And in terms of the iPod Mini, it has been said that there is a 6 GB drive available (not sure of the manufacturer) that would fit the iPod Mini which could become the standard, rather than the 4 GB. Also it would likely be difficult and not worth the cost to produce two versions of each color. I love the more streamlined design of the 4G iPod, but must agree, when it comes to the HP mock-up, that the color is disgusting. I believe (in an attempt to appeal more to consumers)... that Apple and HP will likely use a darker shade of blue (a lightning or midnight blue like color). If you visit the hp.com site... the color associated with their icon doesn't really resemble the above mock-up. But we will all know tomorrow when it is unveiled. Also, I was very interested in the website posted above for colored iPods... I would be interested to know if they have a professional appearance or a more homemade look to them... and since they don't ship directly from Apple if they would arrive in good condition, etc. But very interesting... great idea to offer that sort of options for the 4G iPod. Well that's my 2 cents... so i'm out!

Derek

I think what Apple is doing in terms of the iPod is great. And in terms of the iPod Mini, it has been said that there is a 6 GB drive available (not sure of the manufacturer) that would fit the iPod Mini which could become the standard, rather than the 4 GB. Also it would likely be difficult and not worth the cost to produce two versions of each color. I love the more streamlined design of the 4G iPod, but must agree, when it comes to the HP mock-up, that the color is disgusting. I believe (in an attempt to appeal more to consumers)... that Apple and HP will likely use a darker shade of blue (a lightning or midnight blue like color). If you visit the hp.com site... the color associated with their icon doesn't really resemble the above mock-up. But we will all know tomorrow when it is unveiled. Also, I was very interested in the website posted above for colored iPods... I would be interested to know if they have a professional appearance or a more homemade look to them... and since they don't ship directly from Apple if they would arrive in good condition, etc. But very interesting... great idea to offer that sort of options for the 4G iPod. Well that's my 2 cents... so i'm out!

Derek

I think what Apple is doing in terms of the iPod is great. And in terms of the iPod Mini, it has been said that there is a 6 GB drive available (not sure of the manufacturer) that would fit the iPod Mini which could become the standard, rather than the 4 GB. Also it would likely be difficult and not worth the cost to produce two versions of each color. I love the more streamlined design of the 4G iPod, but must agree, when it comes to the HP mock-up, that the color is disgusting. I believe (in an attempt to appeal more to consumers)... that Apple and HP will likely use a darker shade of blue (a lightning or midnight blue like color). If you visit the hp.com site... the color associated with their icon doesn't really resemble the above mock-up. But we will all know tomorrow when it is unveiled. Also, I was very interested in the website posted above for colored iPods... I would be interested to know if they have a professional appearance or a more homemade look to them... and since they don't ship directly from Apple if they would arrive in good condition, etc. But very interesting... great idea to offer that sort of options for the 4G iPod. Well that's my 2 cents... so i'm out!

Derek

Oops, not sure how i posted more than once... Sorry!

jason

think i'll join the band wagon and collaborate with apple too. hmmmm let me see now. i'll call it the jPod and color it puce and stamp my own elaborate logo on the back. hell, i'll throw in a free pair of the worst quality headphones also in a matching shade of puce. and with jTunes loaded onto my brand of jPCs, it's sure to be a winner.

what comes around goes around, the original white iPod from apple will remain the benchmark for quite some time yet. look at HP, all they could do was to side with apple. bring it on.

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